Showing posts with label delegate count. Show all posts
Showing posts with label delegate count. Show all posts

Monday, May 05, 2008

Add-On Superdelegates Bad For Hillary

what are add-ons? extra people who are picked (each state has different rules) to vote at the democratic convention. read the story below to see how they're chosen and why hillary is at long odds of winning the nomination.

for example, chicago mayor richard daley endorsed obama in february, not as a superdelegate but just as a super guy. today, he's an add-on for obama. and apparently, obama has the advantage with add-ons.

this story below is kind of complex but if you can follow, you will see hillary's chances are slim. not only is it difficult for her to overcome obama's 150 or so delegate lead, winning supers will be as tough. what the media is going to be reporting after obama wins the nomination, is that it was over for hillary after super tuesday. visit demconwatch's add-on page to see who's supporting obama.

cjr: Yes, she’d still like to see Florida and Michigan seated to her advantage. But even in that unlikely event, she can’t close the gap with Obama without a big share of the 330 unannounced superdelegates.

So that 330 number looms large. Under an extremely optimistic (for Clinton supporters) scenario, once the last votes are tallied in Montana on June 3, Clinton could narrow her pledged delegate gap by about ninety. That would leave her still sixty total delegates behind; so of the 330 unpledged superdelegates, she’d need to take about 59 percent of them to gain just a single delegate lead, as many in the press have noted. And the poorer Clinton does in the remaining contests, the higher that minimum threshold rises.
But here’s the thing: the 330 figure is inflated. And it’s inflated in a way that makes the math look better for Clinton than it actually is.

Lumped in with the 330 superdelegates are seventy-six “unpledged add-on delegates.” These aren’t the party leaders and elected officials that we’ve come to associate with the word “superdelegate,” the governors, senators, state Democratic National Committee members, and other big wigs who get an automatic ticket to the Democratic convention in Denver.

“These slots usually were given to someone special—a state legislator, a union leader, a funder,” says Stephen Ohlemacher, The Associated Press’s chief delegate counter. “This is not something to that was made to pick a nominee. This is something that’s designed to let extra people go to the convention.”

It’s been a long time since a Democratic race was still up for grabs by the time add-ons were picked, so this class of delegates have never before had an effect on the nomination. But this year, it would be naïve to think that add-ons will be picked without consideration of their presidential preference.

While rules vary widely from place to place, add-ons are selected long after a state’s primary election or caucus night. Most states, though not all, will pick them with a vote on the floor of their state conventions; others will be picked by state party executive committees. In many cases, these bodies will be choosing from a list designated by their state chair, which could effectively allow the chair to dictate the selection.

So the question is, which candidate’s backers are likely to control the selection of more add-ons?

Party leader preference and rules vary enough state to state that it’s hard to say. In caucus states, the voters at the state convention will be county or congressional district delegates who wound their way up from precinct caucuses. That strongly favors Obama, since he dominated those contests. But primary states will likely be a wash.

Candidates might have an edge in states that they’ve carried. But these sorts of assumptions get complicated quickly. What, for example, might happen in a state like Massachusetts, which Clinton won? The state party chooses its two add-ons through its standing executive committee. And the commonwealth’s three most senior Democrats (Senators Kennedy and Kerry, and Governor Patrick) have endorsed Obama. Those three men presumably have a lot of weight on that body, as “FlyOnTheWall,” the wise commenter at TPM who first brought the add-ons to my attention, pointed out.

Relatedly, it’s worth looking at where the add-ons will come from. Every state, plus D.C. and Puerto Rico, get at least one add-on, but bigger states get two, three, or more—New York has four and California will send five. Yes, as we hear again and again, Clinton has won more big states. But the party’s feint at add-on proportionality, which at this point would seem to favor Clinton, is deceptive: Wyoming’s 8,753 caucusgoers will have as much add-on clout as one-fifth of California’s Democratic primary voters—about one million people. There are many Obama-won small states to weigh down Clinton’s big ones.

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Again, under the rosiest scenario, Clinton will still be way back in the pledged delegate count at the end of voting. If she needs to get 59 percent of the outstanding 330 to close that gap, winning anything less than around 59 percent of the add-ons only makes that work harder. She’ll have to compensate for the underperforming add-ons among the remaining 254 or so superdelegates. If she takes a healthy 60 percent of the add-ons (a 46-30 split), her magic percentage—the number of remaining unannounced superdelegates she’ll need to catch—will hold steady at about 59 percent. A 38-38 wash among the add-ons would hurt her; she’d then need 62 percent of the remaining superdelegates. If Obama gets 60 percent of the add ons, Clinton’s magic percentage without deus ex machina help from Florida and Michigan rises to 65%. These numbers, of course, look worse the further back Clinton is, delegate-wise, at the close of voting.


Sunday, April 27, 2008

No How, No Way Can Hillary Win

this is the best analysis i've seen yet of hillary's impossible chances.

the analysis, dated april 23, starts with the tallies: 1,719 total delegates for Obama and 1,586 for Clinton (obama has added a few more supers since then).

here are her slim to none chances that i don't think her supporters recognize. the only purpose she's serving is her and bill's ego. i feel bad for her $5 and $10 supporters, who really can't afford to give anything at all. to them, i say, let the big donors give. keep your money.

Either Candidate needs a minimum of 2025 delegates to win the nomination.

Now if one of the candidates were to win every remaining primary and obtain every superdelegate available the total would be 503 delegates.

That means Sen Barack Obama would have 2222 delegates

If Sen Hillary Clinton were to garner all remaining delegates, she would have 2089

Hillary Clinton has a cushion of 64 delegates and Barack Obama has a cushion of 197.

The breakdown is 95 superdelegates and 408 pledged delegates.

If Hillary garnered ALL pledged delegates and NO superdelegates, she would have 1994.

If Obama garnered ALL pledged delegates and NO superdelegates, he would have 2127

If Obama obtained NO pledged delegates and ALL superdelegates, he would have 1814

That would mean Obama would need all 95 superdelegates and 211 out of the 408 available

Right now, Hillary Clinton needs 439 delegates, regardless of where they come from. That's 439 out of 503 available. Something tells me that Barack Obama is going to gain at least 64 delegates from the remaining contests between May 3rd and June 3rd.
the rest of the article has a breakdown of the coming primaries. definitely a must read.

Thursday, March 13, 2008

Obama on Michigan and Florida

the candidates knew the rules. michigan and florida knew the democratic national convention rules, and they were warned that if they broke the rules, then their delegates wouldn't count.

but both states flaunted the rules and moved up the date of their primaries in order to gain more power in the nomination process. in other words, they got greedy. ironically, if they hadn't gotten greedy they would have had more power.

the democratic party stripped michigan and florida of their delegates.

obama followed the rules and his name wasn't on the ballot in michigan. obama says he didn't campaign in florida or michigan and that's how voters learn about a candidate, so it hardly seems fair to make the votes count.

and now a desperate clinton will do anything to cheat the rules. she says the delegates should stand as is. perhaps she's afraid of the possibility that a do-over would result in an obama win. wouldn't that be sweet.

it isn't fair to the voters, who didn't have anything to do with the power people's lame decision making, so a do-over seems fair.

but how to get a fair do-over?

the governor of florida charlie crist has the gall to argue that there shouldn't be a do-over, that the delegates should be counted as is.

mail-in votes have been nixed by both obama and clinton. here's the latest do-over plans from florida and michigan and a memo from the florida democratic party.


the bottom line is everyone obama, clinton, the DNC, florida and michigan have to agree on a compromise:


To begin with, the framework for any do-over contest would require the consent of the state parties, the DNC, and both Sens. Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Both states would have to submit plans for a new contest by June 10 to the DNC.

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Wednesday, March 05, 2008

We Get the President We Deserve

photo: david turnley


but we need barack obama.

it's all out there in the blog world. school kids, informed by their parents, are talking about how obama is muslim (muslims, followers of the islamic faith, are in no way terrorists and it's despicable the way islam has been distorted. much of this can be blamed on bush. however obama is not muslim) and rush limbaugh, who is as far as i can tell a minor distraction (how many listeners does he really have?), convinced some of his listeners to vote for clinton, and many ohioans just couldn't vote for a black man.

it's headspinning the amount of ignorance and fear that is out there.

i suppose now obama's white supporters have some insight on just what it means to be a "minority."

it means you have to work extra hard to excel. that's what the obama camp needs to do. it needs to go above and beyond. not that it hasn't already. i know plenty of people who've worked their tails off. but in addition to the message of change, the obama camp has to educate people along the way, while fending off the kitchen sink.

obama is not only the superior candidate in judgement and leadership, he's what this country needs in order to become more worldly.

but we will get the president we deserve. we got bush because we were too fearful. perhaps we are ready for change. but how much change?

do we want some change? or do we want an overhaul and new thinking? for those who are looking for change, clinton is a good candidate. she’ll be a contrast to bush. but for those who are looking for meaningful change that reeks of brand new--a new direction, a new mindset, enlightened thinking, obama is the best candidate.

so just how change tolerant are we?
it's on to mississippi march 11, where clinton's "momentum" will be halted, and wyoming's caucus march 8.

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Tuesday, March 04, 2008

Clinton Wins Obama Still Leads


after 12 wins in a row for obama, clinton wins the popular vote in ohio and rhode island and maybe texas.
she's like a thorn. i kid. i suppose she deserves to carry on. her supporters have as much sweat and equity in her campaign. let's not turn into "hillary haters." then we'll be behaving just like those unmentionables.
and let's not blame race or karl rove. we knew these could be factors. the obama camp has to rise above. may the best person win (and we know who that is) wink, wink.
back to texas for a moment. even if she wins the popular vote in texas, obama is likely to win the most delegates in texas. it's all about the delegates.
i'm not looking forward to the plumbing that goes along with the kitchen sink and all the rest of the political shenanigans. what's next? obama's name, his race and his authenticity have been attacked. let's hope we can hash out some more of the issues. who is john mccain going to go after? the democrats in general?

in the meantime, let's have some fun with delegate math at slate.com's delegate counter.

if we plug in the percents for obama and clinton and add them to current delegate counts, obama still has a lead. it's uncertain how much of a lead until texas numbers are in.
this story from newsweek says clinton could win 16 straight and still lose.

here is the arcade fire video. the band performed at an obama rally.

Monday, March 03, 2008

Latest Polls Ohio Texas Vermont Rhode Island

clinton has a small edge in polls, except for zogby, where it's neck and neck.
it's not so clear cut in texas.
obama has a big lead in vermont.
clinton leads rhode island.
but it all comes down to delegates. the math is on obama's side.
on this eve, never mind the predictions. i am hoping for big obama wins in every state. i know this isn't realistic, especially in ohio.
an ohio republican for obama. it's not liberalism, he says. it's common sense. yay ron!

Superdelegate Add Ons Obama 38 Clinton -6

here's the delegate count, according to msnbc: obama= 1194 clinton =1037
superdelegates obama = 208 clinton = 254
the lowdown: since super tuesday, obama gained 38 supers, clinton lost 6.
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if she loses either, she's out. if she wins ohio, texas, she's in the game. but she would have to get 70% of the vote in each of the remaining states, mathematically speaking, to pass obama. the next big state voting is pennsylvania on april 22. clinton being urged to drop out if she doesn't win both texas and ohio. she's a worthy candidate but just isn't connecting. to be a leader is to connect.
on "meet the press," one of the talking heads said clinton is like the beach boys when the beatles came to town. they talked about the phone ad. apparently, the red phone ringing in the middle of the night ad that clinton used is old stuff. it was used by walter mondale, and george bush the first.


as much as the talking heads chattered about the pros and cons of each candidate, it doesn't appear that anyone quite gets obama yet.
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Wednesday, February 13, 2008

Obama Leads in Delegate Count

obama is leading by 100 plus. for clinton to win, she'll have to get 55% of the remaining delegates.

From Chuck Todd, Mark Murray, and Domenico Montanaro
The statistical front-runner: No matter how one slices the election results from last night, there's no denying that Obama is the statistical front-runner.

He's got a 100-plus pledged delegate lead and even has the lead if you factor in superdelegates.

Here's our math: The NBC News election unit hard count stands at 1078 to 969. If you factor in the unallocated pledged delegates, our estimate rises to approximately 1128to 1009 in Obama's favor (margin of error +/- 5 delegates).

Toss in the superdelegates and Obama's lead is 1306 to 1270 (again +/- 5 delegates). What does this mean?

For Clinton to overtake Obama for the pledged delegate lead -- which we think is the single most important statistic for the superdelegates to decide their vote -- she'll have to win 55% of the remaining delegates.

Assuming next week goes Obama's way in Wisconsin and Hawaii, that percentage rises to 57%. Toss in likely Obama victories in Vermont, Wyoming, Mississippi, Oregon, Montana, and South Dakota, then Clinton's percentage need tops 60% of the remaining delegates available. And this is simply for her to regain the pledged delegate lead…

Follow the leader: So no matter how you slice the total popular vote, Obama is the leader. He's at 50% in states that have awarded delegates; he's at 49% and leads Clinton by 3 points in states where both their names were on the ballot, and his lead is big enough that he leads even when you factor in Michigan where Obama's name wasn't on the ballot. Why does this popular vote total matter? Because it's yet another important talking point when wooing superdelegates. How many supers will be comfortable voting against the candidate who's leading in the pledged delegate count and the total vote count? msnbc

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