Showing posts with label abc debate. Show all posts
Showing posts with label abc debate. Show all posts

Saturday, August 02, 2008

Three Debates for Obama and McCain


3 for Obama and McCain and 1 vice presidential debate for Tim Kaine, governor of Virginia, and Tim Pawlenty, governor of Minnesota (I'm just guessing here).

These debates will likely seal the deal. Side by side, the differences will be crystal clear.
Schedule: 
The first debate planned by the commission is set for September 26 in Oxford, Mississippi, three weeks after the Republican National Convention concludes September 4. The other presidential debates are set for October 7 and October 15 and the vice presidential debate for October 2.

Swamp: Sen. Barack Obama's campaign released a letter today to the Commission on Presidential Debates that accepts their framework for three presidential debates and one vice presidential debate.

Campaign manager David Plouffe's language in the letter also seems to suggests it is unlikely Obama will take Sen. John McCain up on his challenge for additional town-hall-style debates.

Thursday, April 17, 2008

Philly Reporter Angry at ABC's "Tabloid Trivia"

attytood: With your performance tonight -- your focus on issues that were at best trivial wastes of valuable airtime and at worst restatements of right-wing falsehoods, punctuated by inane "issue" questions that in no way resembled the real world concerns of American voters -- you disgraced my profession of journalism, and, by association, me and a lot of hard-working colleagues who do still try to ferret out the truth, rather than worry about who can give us the best deal on our capital gains taxes. But it's even worse than that. By so badly botching arguably the most critical debate of such an important election, in a time of both war and economic misery, you disgraced the American voters, and in fact even disgraced democracy itself. Indeed, if I were a citizen of one of those nations where America is seeking to "export democracy," and I had watched the debate, I probably would have said, "no thank you." Because that was no way to promote democracy.

You implied throughout the broadcast that you wanted to reflect the concerns of voters in Pennsylvania. Well, I'm a Pennsylvanian voter, and so are my neighbors and most of my friends and co-workers. You asked virtually nothing that reflected our everyday issues -- trying to fill our gas tanks and save for college at the same time, our crumbling bridges and inadequate mass transit, or the root causes of crime here in Philadelphia. In fact, there almost isn't enough space -- and this is cyberspace, where room is unlimited -- to list all the things you could have asked about but did not, from health care to climate change to alternative energy to our policy toward China to the deterioration of Afghanistan to veterans' benefits to improving education. You ignored virtually everything that just happened in what most historians agree is one of the worst presidencies in American history, including the condoning of torture and the trashing of the Constitution, although to be fair you also ignored the policy concerns of people on the right, like immigration issues.


Obama Rallies North Carolina Brushes off Debate

maybe the "debate" was good after all. it proved obama's style of politics is what is wanted and needed.
"that's how our politics has been taught to be played," says obama. that's what clinton learned when the republicans attacked her and that's what she knows.
must-see video

the newfangled brush off video

Obama: No More Debates

cheers to that!
the media really blew it. we don't need another debate. for what purpose? to belittle the american public? obama could be holding another rally in that time frame, getting his message out, not participating in foolishness.

cnn: "I'll be honest with you, we've now had 21," he said. "It's not as if we don't know how to do these things. I could deliver Sen. Clinton's lines; she could, I'm sure, deliver mine."

Obama said he has to look at his schedule, considering the upcoming primaries.

The two Democrats went head-to-head in a debate Wednesday night on ABC.

During the first part of that debate, the candidates largely rehashed the controversies that have marked their last six weeks on the campaign trail.

Much of the fire was leveled at Obama, who once again answered questions about controversial statements by his former pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, and his own comments that some rural Pennsylvanians are "bitter."

Obama said it took too long for them to address anything substantial.

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Debate Fallout

obama proved how adept and how much saner he is than hillary and abc, which went all out in dumbing down the campaign with its inane questions during the debate last night. what that debate said to me was: we think you're stupid so we're going to ask these gossipy questions to appeal to ratings. the word "debate" doesn't even apply here.

i couldn't believe that they dredged up rev. wright, and the flag pin (come on) and the weather underground! i hadn't even heard of that bit of gossip, which means it's been making the rounds on the extremist blogs -- rush limbaugh and his party. i don't let myself go there. the best way to drown out ugly voices is to not react.

some media outlets took the debate seriously:
Gibson reminded Obama that more than a year ago he asked Wright not to attend the announcement of his candidacy, reportedly telling his long-time pastor, "You can get kind of rough in sermons. So, what we've decided is that it's best for you not to be out there in public." Gibson then asked Obama why, knowing Wright was "rough in sermons," it took him more than a year to distance himself from the remarks.

Obama responded unconvincingly, saying that even though he had a close relationship with Wright that spanned decades, it wasn't until he read an article in Rolling Stone that he found out that the reverend had delivered inflammatory sermons, and that it wasn't until he saw YouTube clips that he was aware of Wright's even more explosive comments.

But in last month's highly touted race speech, Obama said: "Did I ever hear him make remarks that could be considered controversial while I sat in church? Yes."

So which is it?

washington post:

Obama was right on the money when he complained about the campaign being bogged down in media-driven inanities and obsessiveness over any misstatement a candidate might make along the way, whether in a speech or while being eavesdropped upon by the opposition. The tactic has been to "take one statement and beat it to death," he said.

No sooner was that said than Gibson brought up, yet again, the controversial ravings of the pastor at a church attended by Obama. "Charlie, I've discussed this," he said, and indeed he has, ad infinitum. If he tried to avoid repeating himself when clarifying his position, the networks would accuse him of changing his story, or changing his tune, or some other baloney.

nyt david brooks thought abc deserved an A. journalists are supposed to make the candidates uncomfortable:

First, Democrats, and especially Obama supporters, are going to jump all over ABC for the choice of topics: too many gaffe questions, not enough policy questions.
I understand the complaints, but I thought the questions were excellent. The journalist’s job is to make politicians uncomfortable, to explore evasions, contradictions and vulnerabilities. Almost every question tonight did that. The candidates each looked foolish at times, but that’s their own fault.

then some of the media are in grand support of each other this morning.

“I think what’s important is to make sure that we don’t get so obsessed with gaffes that we lose sight of the fact that this is a defining moment in our history,” Obama said.

He also said: “For us to be obsessed with this — these kinds of errors — I think is a mistake. And that’s not what our campaign has been about.”

He and Hillary Clinton are trying to deliver a message to the American people, he said, but “sometimes that message is going to be imperfectly delivered because we are recorded every minute of every day.”

So, gosh darn it, would you just stop listening to the two of them every gosh darn minute of every day? Would you just ignore them a little more? And while you are at it, would you please stop concentrating on what they say instead of what they mean?

Obama does have a point. But it is the nature of the political process that the dramatic gets attention, and when a candidate makes a gaffe, it is going to get noticed. That is how the game goes.


well, that's just it. obama is trying to change the game of politics and he's got a whole bunch of people with him on that. sure, i know mccain is going to let it rip but if we can learn that the campaign for highest office in the nation, a nation with some serious problems, isn't a joke or a game, perhaps we can move beyond this foolishness.

abc is defending itself after an onslaught of mail and calls, 14,000 comments this morning on the debate story.

in a story this morning, abc says it was trying to bring forth the candidates style of leadership:

"The choice between the candidates crystallized tonight," Washingtonpost.com's Chris Cillizza writes. "It is not, fundamentally, a choice about issues or even ideology -- it is a choice about approach."

Obama (tired?) has had few campaign evenings as trying as Wednesday. "It could not have been the performance Obama wanted to have six days before the state's primary, at a time when he needed to reassure voters," Thomas Fitzgerald writes in the Philadelphia Inquirer.

"At its core the debate boiled down to this familiar argument: Obama saying that politics itself was broken, its games not worth playing, and Clinton saying that skill at the game was crucial."

obama has my vote.

Wednesday, April 16, 2008

Obama Clinton Debate April 16 Preview

update: debate fallout
update: will be streamed live at abcnews

we know this for sure. annie oakley will be packing tonight.

let's hope abc doesn't let the debate get strangled in the "bitter" debate. we are past that phony controversy. i'd like to think that it was hyped by the media but nobody actually fell for it.

i'm hoping we can get to some issues. i'd like to hear more about nafta. i don't clearly understand obama's position on that. i'd like to hear about green manufacturing and more on poverty issues.


politico: Obama was holed up Tuesday night in his Philadelphia hotel, prepping for the debate. Aides said the Illinois senator will continue to defend the gist of his remarks by arguing that it is his rivals who are out of touch.

His wife, Michelle, joined his defense at a stop Tuesday in suburban Philadelphia, offering details of their modest upbringings as a way to deflate the charges of elitism.

“There’s a lot of people talking about elitism and all of that,” Michelle Obama told a gathering at Haverford College. “So let me tell you who Barack and I are, so you are not confused. Yeah, I went to Princeton and Harvard, but the lens through which I see the world is the lens I grew up with. I am the product of a middle class upbringing, I grew up on the South Side of Chicago, in a working class community.”

Clinton must strike the right balance between challenging Obama on his “bitter” remarks and eliciting groans from the audience with her criticism, as she did Monday during an event in Pittsburgh – an awkward moment that now opens Obama’s latest Pennsylvania TV ad.

She may face questions about her retelling of a story, which she has since retracted, claiming that she landed in Bosnia in 1996 under sniper fire, and criticism from Obama about her accepting campaign contributions from registered lobbyists. Clinton has yet to come up with a strong counterpunch to Obama’s charges, which he is currently highlighting in a direct mail piece in Pennsylvania.

“Pennsylvania is a necessary condition for her to survive for the rest of the way,” said Christopher Borick, a pollster at Muhlenberg College in Allentown. “If she ends up on election night with a 2- or 3-point win, she will have a nice celebratory speech and for practical purposes, she will have seen her campaign’s chances evaporate.

nyt's preview
youdecide preview

Poll: Obama Strongest Leader


new abc-washington post poll shows obama has a 10 point lead over hillary when those surveyed were asked who they'd like to see run against mccain.
it appears that hillary's smear campaign is backfiring: 54%, up from 40% after new hampshire.

with that bit of news, it will be fun to see obama take on annie oakley and her bitterness tonight in the debate -- 8 pm eastern time!

abc: The poll finds other pronounced problems for Clinton. Among all Americans, 58 percent now say she's not honest and not trustworthy, 16 points higher than in a precampaign poll two years ago. Obama beats her head-to-head on this attribute by a 23-point margin.

The number of Americans who see Clinton unfavorably overall has risen to a record high in ABC/Post polling, 54 percent -- up 14 points since January. Obama's unfavorable score has reached a new high as well, up 9 points, but to a lower 39 percent.